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By Liz S
The BBC has an article today on their N Ireland page:
“Who are the Orangemen”?
Then incredulously it stated ” If you’re not from Northern Ireland, you may be wondering what on earth the ‘marching season’ is all about“.
Sorry ?
OMG , well I am from Scotland and I and others who live here know only too well what the “marching season is all about” !
Why would that be ?
Because they, Orangemen, do it in Scotland as well.
Then the piece continues in stating “Who are these men in bowler hats and orange sashes”?
Sorry , but is this actually someone from NI who has written this piece or is it an intern straight out of an English university who thinks that they need to explain this to others within the UK.
It continues with “Most Orange Order parades pass off peacefully but the rest of the world has often only seen images of those that don’t”.
What ?
“peacefully” ?
Or is it that other people are made to feel intimidated when marches are in their areas , so really if the world has “often only seen images of those (Marches) that don’t pass off peacefully” is that because someone dared to try to cross a road during a march or because they were a Catholic priest.
A couple of examples :
2019 – “A man taking part in an orange walk in Glasgow has admitted spitting on a woman as she crossed the procession“
2019 based on incident in 2018 – “The Catholic Church has called for a planned Orange Order parade to be re-routed as it would pass the spot where a priest was spat on last year“.
This BBC ‘puff piece’ then goes onto explain “So who is marching and why do some people sometimes object to parades? (to whom are they, the BBC, explaining this to, Martians from another planet?)
“why do some people object” ?
Duh.
This BBC article then also proceeds to add some PR for the Orange Lodge in stating:
“The Orange Order itself has also attempted to move with the times, rebranding the 12 July celebrations ‘Orangefest’ in a public relations charm offensive that presents the day as a fun and inclusive dash of local colour. There was even, briefly, a superhero mascot called Diamond Dan”.
OMG who wrote this article ?
It continues in stating that ” It’s a canny decision, with membership of fraternal societies generally in sharp decline. The Orange Order’s secrecy, ceremonies and archaic titles – all distantly derived from Freemasonry – smack of a bygone age. While staunchly loyal to its traditions, the Orange Order also understands it must reach out to a new generation“
Also known as radicalisation.
This next part of the article was also pretty bad in that it stated:
“A few bands still tout the provocative emblems of loyalist paramilitary groups”
“provocative” ?
Should that not be “shocking” or a BBC favourite term “controversial” or perhaps in reality a better word would be “inciteful” .
Then in a contradiction they , the BBC, states that:
“Perhaps because of this, Orangefest is at pains to be inclusive, making much of lodges from as far afield as Togo, Canada and Ghana” .
So that contradicts their initial statement in this piece that stated ” ” If you’re not from Northern Ireland, you may be wondering what on earth the ‘marching season’ is all about“.
The article then explains how “Union flags are also highly visible, particularly among the spectators. The union with the rest of the United Kingdom is a cornerstone of the Orange Order – a major bone of contention between the marchers and the nationalists who would like to see a united Ireland”.
What Union is that then ?
Aye indeed , as there is the reality of one of the reasons for these marches.
As with these sectarian pro Union displays aka marches, that is for them, as British Nationalists, a way to promote the major bone of contention they have in them fiercely opposing any suggestion of Irish reunification.
Another being a alleged hatred of Catholics, I say alleged as those senior members within their hierarchy (of the Orange Order) deny this as being factual.
The BBC piece concludes wit:
“But even with the rebranding, the PR push and the undeniable spectacle, the question remains: can the celebration of such a deeply contentious date, organised by a group that actively champions one community to the exclusion of another, ever be anything other than divisive? Put more simply, is the future bright for the Orangemen“?
So who do they, The BBC , ask ?
Well they ask a ” 42-year-old Orangeman” who responds that:
“For a tourist, the cultural, historical and religious aspects of the parade are what they should see” and then he states “We have been trying to get young people to learn and have respect for their own culture and other peoples”.
Really ?
So then is this not simply even more PR from a member of the Orange Lodge ?
Then the BBC state that “Dr Eric Kaufmann, an expert on the Orange Order, says the Order’s future probably depends on the direction Northern Ireland itself takes”
He continues in stating that:
“Their ideology is important. Can they work in a post-peace process Northern Ireland? Oddly enough I think it does work. If multiculturalism is accepting different cultures, then they slot right into that model … [but] they’re definitely not going to work well in an integrated rather than a multicultural Northern Ireland.”
That’s the same Dr Kaufman who identifies as a ‘liberal’ national Conservative (they are those who focus on a free-market capitalist economy, emphasise national sovereignty, strong borders, and prioritise the interests of one’s own country and also promote culture and value traditional social structures, law and order, and national heritage as anchors for society).
He was also someone who called “woke” ideas “a battle for the foundations of our civilisation”.
He, Kaufman, has also expressed support for Florida governor (Republican) Ron DeSantis arguing at the 2022 UK Tory Conference that the party should follow DeSantis’s lead ( arguing that fighting against cultural and identity issues , as in “woke ideas” , are central to modern politics and winning elections).
Perfect ‘expert’ for the BBC then was he not.
So what prompted this infantile piece by the BBC ?
Well ,there is a separate BBC article upon a very very controversial, unnecessary and “provocative” decision to allow an Orange march to again walk through a catholic area in NI (for the first time in 30 years).
This other BBC article describes this action as being:
“A controversial parade organised by Northern Ireland’s Orange Order is due to go down the mainly nationalist Garvaghy Road”.
Which has resulted in residents from that area (rightly) blocking their way.
Most fair minded people of course would wonder why they, the Orangemen, really want to walk through this Catholic area as surely , as an act that it is inciteful ,it then potentially is a recipe for disaster in generating real violence.
That’s the nub of this whole situation, it’s blatantly contentious as an act by them as the Orange Order.
Honestly it beggars belief that yet again these people are being pandered to , especially when one knows what their sole raison d’être for existing really is.
Which as a raison d’être is not just exclusively known to only those who live within NI.
Liz S
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You ask the question why the Orange Order wants to march along Garvaghy Road.
The answer, as my ‘agnostic’ father explained to me about 70 years ago was because, they believe they live in a ‘Protestant country’ and that by marching through an area largely populated by Roman Catholics they are emphasizing their dominance.
In a land where symbolism is important, the ‘regalia’, the colours (‘they are fine’), the triumphalist music and, most of all, the beating on the large Lambeg drums are all to demonstrate to the Roman Catholics (‘Papes’, ‘taigs’, fenians’) which group of people are in charge. The drumming symbolises the beating down of those considered inferior and the threat that they will be beaten down again and again should they try to resist their suppression.
The Protestants are in the north of Ireland because of the Ulster Plantations of the years around 1600, when they were brought over from England (mainly army veterans) and Scotland (mainly small farmers) to displace the local Roman Catholic population from the lands. The purpose was to suppress the repeated resistance to occupation by the native peoples since Norman times. These settlers were protected by garrison towns, such as (London)Derry. These settlers addition of ‘London’ to the front of the local name ‘Derry’ being, again, symbolic, of domination.
The resurgence in the demand to march down Garvaghy Road is sign that the Orange Order, having seen the growth of the Irish Republic and its economic success, their own loss of power in Stormont, the changing demograhics, the continued membership of the European common market area, the dual UK/Irish citizenship and, most of all the Good Friday Agreement, as signs of their loss of power and a determination to try desperately to regain it. The unleashing of murderous mobs against ‘immigrants’ was an example of this.
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@ Anonymous @ 10.33am
Now that, as a written piece, by you is what the BBC should have written .
Absolutely brilliant comment that explains so so much better this whole situation than my instinctively reactive comment did.
Thanks for writing such an eloquent, lucid and informative comment.
🙂
Liz S
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Chris Bryant the ‘Unionist’ UK Labour NI Secretary said today on SKY News, in relation to the residents of this Catholic area and of Sinn Fein supporting them :
“I don’t think any elected politician should be supporting an illegal protest”
So then is it fair to say , whose side he , Bryant, is on.
I mean imagine why Catholic residents within this area are not wanting protestant agitators to march down their street, then the ‘Unionist’ UK SOS for NI calls the (justified) protest of these residents “illegal” .
Is that “illegal” in the sense of another Judge , via an appeal, overturning a former judgement that prohibited this march from going into that Catholic area or what ?
Someone on social media responded to this comment by Bryant in them writing “What part of forcing a sectarian march onto a community , which doesn’t want it , does he not get”.
Does he, Bryant, see it as wrong, interfering and inappropriate for “The Democratic Unionist Party ( DUP) MP for Upper Bann, Carla Lockhart, calling on the Police Service of Northern Ireland (PSNI) to “do their job” and police the determination of the Parades Commission” ?
The Social Democratic and Labour Party (SDLP) leader Claire Hanna said that “Whatever the legalities, it was never politically right or morally right to do this” and so she said that “the march is a “violation of this community who just want to live in peace” and argues “that it is how it is being viewed far beyond this road”.
Then unlike Chris Bryant, she as the Social Democratic and Labour Party (SDLP) leader , sought to resolve this situation in stating she called upon the “the chief constable and secretary of state to intervene, saying she had reminded both (that) they have the “ability to revoke any permission for this parade”.
The main role of the various UK SOS for Scotland, Wales & NI is one that exists only to defend and support the supposed integrity of the UK State and it’s UK government (and also it seems side with those members of the public (and organisations) who also support and defend both the UK and the UK government as part of the British establishment).
Liz S
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