Fans in neighbouring capitals

I know, they broke Wembley’s goal posts and stole turf and, no doubt, carried out acts of violence on London’s streets back in the 20th Century but have things changed a bit?

20 000 and 27 arrests? You’d get more arrests from 20 000 on Troon beach.

Try finding images of them fighting last night, anybody, England fans, each other, the police? You can be sure we’d see those.

What about England fans, still this century, in a neighbouring capital city? Paris 2016?

Belgium in 2000, employing the favoured weapon, chairs:

England were almost 'expelled' from Euro 2000 after hooligans tore apart Belgian streets - Daily Star

Throwing coins at Gypsy children?

https://edition.cnn.com/2016/06/16/football/euro2016-england-fans-video/index.html

And of course, shielded by the BBC:

https://talkingupscotlandtwo.com/2021/05/29/bbc-minimising-england-football-fan-violence-in-portugal/

https://talkingupscotlandtwo.com/2021/05/29/bbc-minimising-england-football-fan-violence-in-portugal/

21 thoughts on “Fans in neighbouring capitals”

  1. Good Morning Scotland was certainly trying to make something of the crowds in Leicester Square, but, the reporter was just going through the ‘script’ and subsequently back-pedalled with a fair number of indications that what he was saying was ‘provisional’ or ‘speculative’.

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  2. Lang syne Graig Brown was in Mexico and reported the Tartan Army were best friends with the Mexican locals. On our exit he moved to the city where England were playing. Their fans stood with folded arms glaring with hostility at the pesky foreigners.

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    1. I seem to recall in France that when Bordeaux found out Scotland would be playing Norway there, it was 24 hour licences all round. Not where England fans would congregate. If you can find them, there is a video on Youtube of a group of Scotland fans doing the can can in front of a line of French cops who eventually joined in.

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  3. the other thing to be remembered is that there were organized groups of English fans causing bother – Leicester Square was emptied in two directions. Many of the times England fans have caused bother they did it on their own, setting about the locals (usually the Police trying to move them on).
    At the time the FA ended the regular Wembley games, we had a secy in our dept office who claimed the FA had made the right decision. When asked what the fans did that was wrong, the best she could come up with was that they pissed in folks’ gardens.
    Good to see you back John.

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  4. More demonising of Scotland and the people of Scotland by the media. All part of their attempts to divide people. I saw a wee sticker in town yesterday, it said, ‘1% control the world, 4% are their puppets, 90% are asleep. 5% know what’s happening, they try to wake the 90%. The 1% use the 4% to prevent the 5% from destroying their agenda by waking trying to wake the 90%’. Seems about right but the puppets are growing in number, that’s the scary part.

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  5. John,

    “Welcome back, fae one and all,
    without you, John, we’re held in thrall,
    By news and comment that does appal,
    Fae colonial “news”.
    Who take cheap shots frae a “grassy knoll”.
    O’ Brit Nat views”!

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    1. CBB

      “The BBC are legally compelled to support the cohesion of Britain. Which means they need to undermine our (Scots) sense of identity, self-value, and self-determination.”

      The positive case for the Union. To keep Scots onside they need to damage us!

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  7. “Try finding images of them fighting last night, anybody, England fans, each other, the police? You can be sure we’d see those.”

    I watched the FM’s Covid briefing yesterday (Friday). Much of the focus was on encouraging football fans to adhere to sensible precautions and respect rules in order to mitigate risks of Covid transmission.

    When the BBC Scotland journalist’s (Iain Macinnes?) turn to ask a question came round his chosen emphasis was: (a) a negative – fans are breaking the rules so (in terms) what are you going to do about it FM; and then a second negative (b) the BBC has seen clips on social media of ‘some’ Scottish fans engaging in ‘anti-English’ chants so (in terms) FM what do you have to say about this terrible state of affairs?

    At a briefing meant to be about Covid, the BBC strays into a non-Covid matter. On a day of national hope and excitement, the BBC opts for only negatives, finding some chanting recorded on social media – but giving no detail on actual words used or on numbers of people involved or on context. Are these exceptionally, very bad chants by exceptionally, very bad football fans that the FM – even during a Covid briefing – must here and now be called upon by BBC Scotland to denounce?

    My comment is not to excuse inappropriate chanting if such was made. My point is simply to reflect (again!) on the choice, the priority adopted by BBC Scotland, the public service broadcaster, during a public health briefing on a day of national sporting significance for our country.

    The BBC News website today at least has this: ‘Emma Best, a member of the London Assembly and the Conservative group’s spokeswoman on health, said she believed an estimate that 20,000 Scotland fans would travel might turn out to be a “very conservative” estimate.’

    ‘But Ms Best added that the Tartan Army had been creating a “really good-natured atmosphere” throughout the city.’

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  9. There is one question no-one seems to have asked. Are all the arrests of Scots? The 27 arrests could have been Zombies on the rampage!

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