Scottish Labour opposes free school meals again

Duncan Hothersall, right-wing Fabian and Blairite, with Sarwar and Baillie, reveals his true colours (blues) with the above tweet.

Their attitude to free school dinners is a regular indicator of their lack of empathy for any of their own voters.

Last year, I wrote:

Why can’t I claim for claret?

In the Education, Communities and Justice committee on Thursday:

Jackie Baillie (Dumbarton) (Scottish Labour): To ask the Scottish Government what provision will be made for the delivery of free school meals when schools are closed due to the COVID-19 outbreak.

It’s deeply moving, well more stomach-churning, to hear from the leader of the right-wing in Scottish Labour Unionist Group (SLUG) pretending to care about the weans. Back in 2002, when she and her colleagues in government voted down the universal provision of free school meals and the retention of the humiliating means test, she was more like herself.

First, Tommy Sheridan SSP  at 3:32 pm, 20th June 2002 said:

We do not means test children to allow them access to schools. We do not means test children to allow them access to hospitals. We do not means test children to allow them access to libraries. It is a disgrace that we means test children in relation to school meals. From the age of five, we divide and label kids according to the income of their parents. The apologists for such divisive behaviour euphemistically call it targeting. Those who are able to think for themselves and who are not worried about their own political careers, are honest enough to call it what it is—means testing.

Jackie Baillie Labour then said:

I paraphrase Aneurin Bevan, who once said that socialism is the language of priorities. Tackling poverty, and child poverty in particular, is a priority for the Parliament, the Executive and the First Minister. We know that a clear, causal link exists between poverty and ill health and that it can affect children’s life chances and opportunities. The question, therefore, is whether we should target resources at those who are in most need, or whether we should spread the jam thinly.

John McAllion Labour then pointed to Baillie’s misreading of Bevan:

Jackie Baillie quoted Nye Bevan. That is fine, but she did not quote Nye Bevan’s lifelong detestation of the means test, which he fought all his life. Nye Bevan was once threatened with expulsion from the parliamentary Labour party for tabling amendments to end the means testing of old people. Were he here this afternoon, I have no doubt which side of the debate he would be arguing for.

https://www.theyworkforyou.com/sp/?id=2002-06-20.12976.0

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17 thoughts on “Scottish Labour opposes free school meals again

  1. Unionists will do anything to knock Scotland down, no matter where they are from. It is what they do, and have done for 300+ years.
    Sad for them that their tirades mean nothing to Scots, we are on our way out. The Scots that do this, are they going to move to England?

    I certainly hope so, better they go to their adopted motherland, for all concerned.

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    1. They know however that there are still some Scots who are taken in by the BritNat lies and scams. Also, an ever growing population of mostly well off folks are moving into Scotland from England (no bias it’s just a fact and I am ex English) because just about everything is an improvement than what they leave behind now; housing, infrastructure, green spaces, education, health, environment re clean air etc…not to mention the fabulous scenery on their new doorstep.

      Many are buying up the cheaper (compared to S. of Eng etc) nice houses, and bloody well loving the better standard of living in Scotland that has been implemented in the past 12 or so years via the SNP, but, they will mostly vote to keep Scotland shackled to their so called union. Second home ‘owners’ should definitely not have the right to vote in any election/referendum in Scotland, nor students not normally domiciled in Scotland as their main residence, and if not born in Scotland. They are big fans of the union, UKOK.

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      1. Folk in England are fed a frequent diet of programmes showing off Scotland . . . . . . The sun is always shining. Then they are told of a child dying due to air pollution. Moving up here is a no brainer . . . If you have the means. Broadcast media supply all the information required. And as Arty. H. points out they bring their votes with them.

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  2. And I point to the overwhelming evidence being brought to the fore
    Particuallary with the disproportionate
    Effects of Covid 19 upon the poor and disadvantaged, whereby a poor diet full of
    Processed foods and sugars is devastating, along with strong evidence is beginning to emerge that young children who contract Covid whether asymptomatic or not are showing symptoms of long covid along with organ and immune system damage
    So going forward the societies who provide either free or heavily discounted
    School Healthy only meals and preferably all the way through further education as well
    Will without any doubt be making the
    One of the wisest & greatest investments
    In the future and well being of their society
    All by in the years that follow yielding massive savings in future Health provision and spending,along with the resultant increase in educational attainment which all of in turns greatly generates excellent productivity gains
    The latter being by far the main driver of true economic success
    And upon all that I now shall rest my case in the most certain of knowledge that i am correct
    But on the Basis that those Societies who
    Fail to act properly WILL FAIL anyway

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    1. Yep, inadequate and inferior nutrition has a huge effect on a persons health and a knock on effect into the next generation as was the case post both world wars. The generations after that were found to have bad health outcomes as well, all due to lack of adequate nutrition that their parents had and even their grandparents. That includes people of my generation born in the early 60’s. Wasn’t the case with the rich they ate very well and still do of course, and people used to say, ah but the cabbage and tatties were very healthy and people were much thinner and healthier back then, thinner aye, sometimes skeletal, defintely not healthier. Only the rich could expect a long life.

      The Tories and red Tories deny basic needs including adequate nutrition to families and little children, it should be a prison sentence for those who implement and facilitate such terrible conditions on their own people, the prisons would start filling up with Tories and red and even yellow Tories pretty quick if that was a thing in the UKOK.

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      1. Artyhetty
        Och you’ve got me stairted
        Having worked on the land most of my life
        Along with a 1st class Hons.degree in genetics and coupling the both with a being a very keen observer of the Natural World,
        Ecology & Environmental science
        I have a sound but fundamental knowledge of food production
        And given my late years but having worked in a large Market Garden where a lot of research was conducted on behalf or the Scottish Crop Research Institute
        All part time whilst at Uni.
        Particularly so at a time when Agriculture and Horticulture where at the cusp of massive changes, the effects of which I witnessed and one fine summer day working in 7 acres of strawberries myself and the 69 yr old farm grieve who was bred,born,reared and worked the land all his life
        We were discussing as to how the crop of strawberries was failing badly and how we were spewing ever more pesticides upon the crop for the 2nd yr running, along with the removal of 2 tree belts and 3 hedge rows in order to create
        1 large field out of 3 small fields which resulted in the almost total disappearance of breeding bird species
        And the effect of such was having
        Our conclusion was firstly the loss of tree belts and hedge rows greatly in turn led to a explosion in aphid and weevil numbers which in turn was now being controlled by potent insecticides ( All now Banned due to being (carcongenic)
        And slowly we watched the pest insect population become resistant to the insecticides all resulting in even higher doses of insecticide applied and more potent ones
        Our conclusion the insecticides were adding to a diminishing bird breeding
        Although we did not know how, but today we do as the insecticide leads to very thin egg shells with the resultant
        Consequence of very poor reproduction ratios . Note in very good breeding season just 1 pair of Blue Tits will rear 2 clutches yielding on average 18 fledgings
        Each 21 days before they flight, so we now have 378 days of parental feeding of say 600 aphids / chick day I.E.226,800 aphids removed from the strawberry field and only 1 pair of birds achieving this phenomenal feat of pest control and ensuring the repetition of in years to come. But here is the rub we were eliminating the natural methods of pest control by applying modern day methods
        We also brought into the equation many other factors such as hormone fed livestock,emergence of Supermarkets,loss of small loci grocers butchers etc
        Our final comments between the Old farm grieve and myself was this given the grieves life long experience and my science knowledge was basically this
        “Well all think this so called progress is terrific,but we know that in food production and Human development and health in fact it is. actually massive REGRESS
        And History will judge it none otherwise than a unmitigated disaster”
        To finish that is a very sound reason to advocate for healthy free meals for all education
        And as the State is the One who shall pay the piper( Food producers and suppliers)
        Tis the state that shall call the tune if they smart enough
        And to encourage such i use what certain religious denominations are only too well
        Aware of for centuries and ruthlessy applied
        ” Grab them young and you got for life”
        So society has to copy cat here if not
        A uphill battle with abject failure as large neo liberal corporations fight like weasels in a sack to maintaln the Status Que
        Greed is NOT good
        But healthy food production is
        End off as I
        good supply you with endless facts and scenarios that only reinforce the matters of which i speak

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  3. Labour means tested student loans on household income. From £21,000 to £42,000. Students of average household income could not get a full loan. So they could not go to straight to uni from school. They got from £2,000 or less. Instead of £3,000+.

    The SNP Gov changed that 5 years ago, They get a full loan to go to uni. They often need an overdraft. Instead of possibly getting £3,000 a year on Jobseekers or universal credit. Student are the groups of relative poverty for a limited 4 year or so period. Council tax is paid. Over a life time average of higher earning.

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  4. I see Hotdogstand is still out too lunch. 😦

    https://www.voice.wales/school-meals-campaign-launched-to-feed-every-child-end-food-poverty-in-wales

    “Inspired by Finland, which has had universal free school meals since 1948, it is currently trying to get 10,000 people to sign a Senedd petition by June 2021 and will hold an online rally on Wednesday, featuring speakers from child poverty groups, social workers and teachers unions. “

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    1. CameronB
      And such goes a very long way as to explaining that by Global standards that
      Finland is
      1.At the top of Education
      2.Ditto for Well being
      3.Ditto for health and life expectancy
      4 Ditto for Governance
      5.Ditto for economic success
      And as for covid
      Finland cases/ million 14080
      Scotland. 39771
      England 68586

      Deaths
      Finland 153
      Scotland 1384
      England 2001
      Finland has the same population as Scotland but far less in natural resources
      And our lands and seas are far more bountiful
      So I shall have none tell me that Scotland cannot succeed as a Independent Nation
      I shall any time any where take on any Unionist and shall cut them done ruthlessly
      With cold hard facts as to why we are Not Better Together
      And when finished with them let them full well know that if together exactly what the consequences are for the future generations of Scot,s
      But that all i shall speak of such matters
      Cause if i state what those are then it will either bring me to tears or rage uncontrollably

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      1. I trained to join the Royal Town Planning Institute, which means my time at uni was spent learning how to support the development of sustainable communities. Which is why I like to think I know what I’m talking about and, subsequently, have quite a lot to say for myself. Even though that was almost three decades ago, and I don’t have that much in-work experience as a planner. I’m even doing it deliberately now, though it has taken me a wee while to get anywhere near up to speed. And I still don’t trust myself to do much more than point towards productive and hopefully fruitful sources of knowledge.

        Anyhoo, folks might want to check out “Towards the Finland we want by 2050; The state of sustainable development in 2020 in light of indicators and comparative studies” @ sustainabledevelopment.un.org/content/documents/26264VNR_2020_Annex_2(dot)pdf

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    2. Great link from December 2020 Mr Brodie. Thanks.

      This bit stood out for me: ‘Frances Curran, former Member of Scottish Parliament for Scottish Socialist Party who will be speaking at the meeting said that as a member of the Scottish Parliament, she introduced the Free School Meals bill 15 years ago, but it was derailed. Just recently, however, measures have been put in place to provide meals for all children in Scotland.’

      “I’m glad that the Scottish parliament has got there in the end,” she said. “The arguments are now won, and once introduced no child in Scotland will go hungry and every parent can go to bed reassured and safe in that knowledge. This is decision a parliament and a nation can be proud of and I am.”

      Powerful stuff! And of course we can place this alongside the SNP government’s Scottish Child Payment described by the Joseph Rowntree Foundation as ““a beacon of progressive policy for the rest of the UK” and as “the most progressive policy brought in since devolution 20 years ago” – and that was before the new commitment to double it!

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    3. Great link from December 2020 Mr Brodie. Thanks. . This bit stood out for me.

      ‘Frances Curran, former Member of Scottish Parliament for Scottish Socialist Party who will be speaking at the meeting said that as a member of the Scottish Parliament, she introduced the Free School Meals bill 15 years ago, but it was derailed. Just recently, however, measures have been put in place to provide meals for all children in Scotland.

      “I’m glad that the Scottish parliament has got there in the end,” she said. “The arguments are now won, and once introduced no child in Scotland will go hungry and every parent can go to bed reassured and safe in that knowledge. This is decision a parliament and a nation can be proud of and I am”.’

      Powerful stuff! And we can place this along side the SNP government’s Scottish Child Payment described by the Joseph Rowntree Foundation as “a beacon of progressive policy for the rest of the UK” and “the most progressive policy brought in since devolution 20 years ago” – and this was before the new plans to double it!

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  5. Scotland has a better education system than Finland. Scotland has the best education system in the world (pro rata). More of the population+ others go to university than anywhere in the world. Life long learning.

    30% go from school. 20/25 mature students 55% + 15% EU Students. Foreign students that pay the full cost. 55% + 15% EU students. 70%. That is the highest in the world. Canada next is 56%.

    Scotland has 15 university pop 5.5million. That is the highest no pro rata in the world. Colleges and apprenticeships. 98% of pupils have a relevant outcome. Life long learning. P/t courses. People can work and study. Student support grants and loans for lower income households. Grants do not have to be paid back. Support for vulnerable people. Based on the ability to learn, Not the ability to pay.

    Teacher are more qualified and better paid. There is a need for smaller class sizes. Especially in primary. To help the teachers.Nursery provision has been extended. The average size overall is 13 but it varies between local authorities,

    The first country to have tertiary education. Scotland invention and discovery shaped the modern world. TV and radio, telecommunication. Led on to the internet. It could be even better without Westminster’s colossal,
    negative interfere.

    Scottish resources and revenues are wasted by Westminster bad appalling policies. Trident, illegal wars, Hickley Point, HS2, Westminster estate, tax evasion, financial fraud etc. Paying interest on loans not borrowed or spent in Scotland. £13Billion +.
    Brexit will have a damaging affect. Less EU students. It could mean more foreign students. The pandemic might make nos fall for a while.

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  6. Strawberry production has expanded in Scotland because of warmer weather. The season has expanded. Polytunnel use in Perthshire etc. A far longer production season. Strawberries now are coming from abroad. Spain etc. They go rotten faster. Brexit transport problems? A lot of fruit is coming from South Africa. Checking the labels. Scottish strawberries are good, Tomatoes were once grown in the Clyde valley. They could be again. Flavoursome.

    The average farmer is over 60. Many will retire soon. There could be changes in farming methods and products. There is an increasing number of vegetarians. Or less meat eaters. They will have to be catered for in production. Oilseed production. CAP payments have gone. Brexit. Land is exempt from tax to keep farms together. Larger farms produce more. Sheep farmers need some support. Scotland has hilly areas. Difficult for crops. Crofts. Turbines can bring in monies and fuel remote areas. More subsistence.

    Food and drink are big industries in Scotland. They bring in £Billions in revenues. Whisky and salmon. Major exports. Whisky companies based in London HQ tax evade. Scotland has ‘a right to roam’. Tourism brings in £Billions for Scotland. A 40 million disporia. Many like to come and visit.

    The descendants of the clearances etc. They had to emigrate being cruelty throw off their lands. Often by foreign landowners. Vast estates. Scotland owned by a few people. Or secret tax evading Trusts. Investing in land on account of the price increasing.

    Wind turbine production worth £Billions. The highest wind speed ever recorded was on the Isle of Lewis. Last year Scottish revenues increased £3Billion. from renewables. The future along with CCS. European countries are doing it already in the North Sea. Westminster Gov held up investment. Scotland could miss renewable grants from the EU.

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