Labour says goodbye to Corbyn, to a second referendum and to ‘all that’

The Herald headline above fails to finish off with the dire prospects for Labour if they join with the Tories again to deny Scotland a second independence referendum.

The evidence is staring them in the face.

For some time now, opinion polls have put them down in 3rd place with support declining all the time and both the Tories and SNP pulling away from them. The Opinium poll on 26th March had them at 8%!

And they think strong opposition to Indyref2 is the answer?

In August 2019, an Ashcroft poll suggested 40% of Scottish Labour voters support independence and a national majority is in favour of Indyref2.

https://lordashcroftpolls.com/2019/08/my-scotland-poll-yes-to-independence-takes-the-lead/#more-16041

Multiple polls have support for independence too close too call with some putting support up at 53%.

Several expert commentators make it ‘all but inevitable’.

https://foreignpolicy.com/2020/01/24/a-new-scottish-independence-vote-seems-all-but-inevitable/

https://www.telegraph.co.uk/business/2019/05/01/independent-scotland-now-inevitable-beginning-believe-might/

https://centreonconstitutionalchange.ac.uk/opinions/brexit-and-inevitability-scottish-independence

https://www.theguardian.com/commentisfree/2019/aug/09/independence-scotland-inevitable-scot-nicola-sturgeon

Why will the New Blairites support this strategy? Yes, because there’s only one voice they get to hear, all the time, and Ian Murray is utterly out-of-it.

4 thoughts on “Labour says goodbye to Corbyn, to a second referendum and to ‘all that’”

  1. I thought in 2014, if a genuine option for federalism had been on the ballot, it would have won quite comfortably. But the British nationalists were so confident of winning ( and by a huge 3-1 margin) they refused the offer made by Salmond.

    The SNP sit proudly on their dung heap of independence.

    The Tories sit brazenly on their colonial/Scots don’t matter dung heap.

    Labour, which could invoke the “Dominion status for Scotland” desire of Keir Hardie, instead want to clamber halfway up the Tory dung heap, where crowing the same tune wont get them any notice from a sceptical public. Not while the lead singer is smarmy Ian Murray who finds himself in the same place as Kezia Dugdale, at the front with a rictus grin, and few troops, while even smarmier George Foulkes pulls his strings.

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    1. There was never any chance of federalism being on the ballot in the 2014 referendum. It was not possible for it to be on the ballot for the simple and rather obvious reason that a federal arrangement would affect the entire UK. Such a vote would have to be put to voters across the UK. It could not be decided by just one part of the UK. It was, therefore, definitively undeliverable. A referendum with undeliverable options is a farce.

      The so-called ‘second question’ on the 2014 referendum ballot referred to an undefined ‘devo-max’ option. Alex Salmond did not want this second question on the ballot for another simple and obvious reason – it could only split the pro-independence vote. He spoke of being prepared to consider the second question knowing that this would be interpreted as him wanting it on the ballot and aware that Cameron would instantly reject it on those grounds alone.

      Why didn’t Salmond just rule it out if he didn’t want it? Because, as you note, it was, according to polls, the most popular option. He didn’t want to be the one to deny Scotland’s voters the option they favoured. Fortunately, he didn’t have to. He got David Cameron to do it for him.

      As to British Labour in Scotland (BLiS), their behaviour may seem inexplicable. Adhering to their anti-independence and anti-democracy stance is very evidently doing massive damage to the pretendy party’s electoral prospects. But they will not relent. Because they cannot. BLiS is no more than a regional department of the British Labour Partly and, as such, it is prohibited from standing in elections on a policy platform distinct from that of the ‘parent’ party. Party’s are not allowed to promote different policies in different parts of the UK.

      As a British party, British Labour is part of the British establishment. It serves, and is in turn served by, precisely the same structures of power, privilege and patronage which serve and are served by the British Conservative Party. That is why the two, along with the British Liberal Democrats, so willingly colluded in Better Together/Project Fear. As British parties, they all prioritise preservation of the Union above pretty much everything else. Because pretty much everything that the British state is, pretends to be and wants to be depends on Scotland remaining in Britannia’s jealous grasp.

      British Labour in Scotland languishes in the polls as it does not because it refuses to accept the democratic rights of Scotland’s people but because the Ruth Davidson made a better Queen of the Britnats than Kezia Dugdale. It really is as trivial as that. All the British parties in Scotland are squabbling over the British Nationalist vote. With abundant assistance from the British media, Ruth Davidson did the better job of being the figurehead for British Nationalism. BLiS has never recovered. I think we can safely assume it never will.

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  2. When things get back to normal we will see them for what they are , we will see few objections to Tory Bill’s and more abstentions , allowing Tory policies to sail through, welcome to the Purple Party ! .

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  3. Mr Murray was interviewed on GMS this morning and Gary Robertson broached the matter of independence and a second referendum.

    Mr Murray repeated that the current Labour policy is to oppose both, which is, of course, true.

    When Mr Robertson then pursued the matter of Labour’s problems in Scotland because of this, Mr Murray went on to accept that Labour would have to reexamine and clarify its stance on the constitution at a ‘convention’, but concluded that it would continue to oppose independence and a second referendum!

    And that would be the case even if pro-independence parties won an overall majority at Holyrood in 2021. This is what democracy in the UK means.

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