By stewartb
I too have noticed this contention about Legal Aid being made here btl multiple times and over a prolonged period. I can’t recall any links to source documents ever being supplied.
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I’ve never quite had enough motivation to research the claim tho’ it has occurred to me to do so too in the past. I’m glad you’ve now done this: it’s an important matter. Yet another example of the value of TuS! I hope the persistent ‘campaigner’/btl contributor offers a response to what you’ve found – to agree and withdraw the claim or dispute, and with documentary evidence.
Nowadays, I am much more aware of the value and relative ease of using AI tools to examine such matters, at least to obtain an initial or provisional assessment of a potentially complex matter. Taking c. 10 minutes, I engaged ChatGPT with this query: ‘I’d like assistance in verifying or otherwise the following contention seen online: “Abused women do not get legal aid In Scotland. In England they now get legal aid. Without selling their house.”
As part of a lengthy response to this, ChatGPT concluded this regarding the quoted claim: ‘The statement is misleading and, as written, false. There is an important difference between the Scottish and English systems, but it is not accurate to say that abused women simply “do not get legal aid” in Scotland while England has introduced legal aid for them without regard to their house.’
Later in the exchange, ChatGPT notes: ‘So which jurisdiction is actually more favourable regarding the house? This is perhaps the surprising conclusion. On the narrow question “Does owning the family home prevent initial qualification?” Scotland is arguably more generous. Scotland says that the value of the applicant’s main home is not taken into account in the ordinary capital assessment. England & Wales normally take home equity into account, subject to the £100,000 disregard and the special domestic-abuse/trapped-capital rules.’
Perhaps inevitably with an analysis of legal rules in one jurisdiction and their comparison with those in another, the full result (as given by ChatGPT) is lengthy – beyond the scope (and I’m sure, the patience) of this btl place!
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Abused women do not get legal aid.Find a lawyer that does legal aid for abused women. Lawyers will not do legal aid. A few will if children are involved. Legal Aid does not apply. Phone around and find out. One lawyer who agreed to do deferred payment. Did not comply. Put in a bill for £4,000 when the client moved on. Did not forward the notes and shut the Office.
Abused women who co habit. The majority have to out in a claim within a year (1/3) or lose everything. The Claims cost money. Married women get half + maintenance. Still difficult to get legal aid. Lawyers just will not do it. Women who co habit, the majority are not entitled to maintenance but are entitled to a settlement (1/3). It can take years and cost £thousands. The Law was changed recently so women in England could get legal aid without selling the property. Legal aid has to be paid back under any beneficial settlement. Difference between married women and those who co habit. The majority, who co habit, get 1/3.
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Pity about the value of AI. The usual bunch of lies. How can people fall for it. Like it is some miracle cure. It is just jumbled facts that have to be verified and worked out. The truth and lies separated.
So an abused women has no money. There are children. She cannot find a legal aid solicitor. Impossible to find anywhere. What does she do? Nowhere to go. She has to stay there and be driven off her head. Often by a cunning manipulating abuser. To an extreme extent of being killed. Most murderers and criminals are male. There is a gender statistically and fact.
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Go and tell an abused women about the AI chat. She will be very interested. Trying to cover up any bruises and mental anguish.
it is a damned disgrace that do not get much help and legal aid from any government. Also their pain is not recognised. Their children suffer. They grow up traumatised. All they need is proper legal aid to get away. Even though it has to be paid back. The legal profession writing reports making Million, but no legal aid for abused women. There are children lawyers refused to do it. They should be forced to practice it or lose their licences. To give help where it is needed. Some specialise but do not support people
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