Yes but how far?

of people with learning difficulties being forced to live far from their families. That’s the the warning from charity Enable Scotland. Official data shows that in 2019, more than a thousand adults were sent to live outside their council area.

When I saw the ‘far from their families‘ and ‘outside their council area’ terms conflated, I wondered just what data are we talking about here because you could easily be closer to your family after being placed outside your council area.

Imagine you live in Newport, Fife and you’re placed in Dunfermline, 40 miles and 43 minutes away, instead of Dundee, 3 miles and 9 minutes away. You could go on – Ballantrae to Ayr or Stranraer?

I can find no detailed data to address the above issue and, of course, no indication of a trend. Is this a worsening or improving situation? We need to know that don’t we?

This as another Reporting Scotland story not covered in any detail on the BBC Scotland website. No doubt we’ll get it repeated on GMS and Drivetime.

18 thoughts on “Yes but how far?

  1. It certainly was repeated on GMS, with several references to ‘The Scottish Government”. The impression given was that some nebulous lack of action by ‘councils’ or ‘SG’, was the issue. It was illustrated by a single case of an adult who had been housed in a facility in England. There was no indication of how typical such a case is.

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  2. I’ve no doubt Enable Scotland will have detailed information on the “hidden scandal”, but it suits the BBC in Scotland agenda to quote a third party absent detail in order to convey general negativity…

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  3. Can we place a misreporting complaint to OFCOM
    Factual reports to assist general public gather true facts
    It surely would be the helpful to report information assisting tax paying viewers
    To know facts rather than fiction.

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  4. People on the spectrum are given additional needs support. They are given benefit support according to their needs. To stay within the family. Or in supported accommodation. The have allowances and benefits under UK regulations. The support could be increased in Scotland if Scotland was Independent. Better funding. Instead if Westminster wasting Scottish revenues and resources.

    The Scottish Gov has simplified the application forms, to a few pages instead of many. Some people are still refused support under the UK Gov regulations. The support system still not fully devolved. Additional needs students are given support. A diagnosis is guaranteed. Some parents/carers do not acknowledge it. It can make it more difficult to give support.

    Families are given support so children can stay within their families. Instead of care. People leaving care are given more support. Educational grants, accommodation and they do not pay council tax. There is diversity support and part time hours available so people with additional can find suitable employment.

    The Scottish Gov has increased carers allowance. Mitigated Westminster social funding cuts. £100Million a year. Affordable rental houses are being build, with support. People are getting personal care to enable them to stay in their own homes, where they want to be. MUP has reduced consumption and lowered SNHS costs. The Scottish Gov is doing all it can to support people within the remit of the
    UK Gov because the welfare provisions are not devolved. A child benefit payment has been introduced to lower income households.

    The BBC as usual out of touch. No wonder no one watches it. Or believes the nonsense. They cannot count or analyse any figures properly. A public disgrace.

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    1. All very well by why is there no Scot Goverment spokesperson available to counter these factually incorrect /distorted stories that appear with frustrating regularity now on BBC Scot or is it the case they decline or are not asked. Anyone?

      It is making my blood boil as if it is the former then it is time for a rethink by the Scot Gov and if the latter they should insist for an opportunity to do so. After all are we living in a democracy or not where both views should be heard. Invariably on BBC UK a Tory Gov minister is given the opportunity or at least a Gov response statement.

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  5. The welfare provision are still under the remit of the UK Gov. Welfare provision is not devolved. The Scottish Gov does all it can to mitigate. The fault lies with the Westminster Gov provision and the BBC false reporting. Broadcasting not devolved. Along with the (unionist) council provision. Some of these matters of provision are the responsibility of the local authorities. The (unionist) councils.

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    1. I think that may depend on what you mean by welfare. Certainly, social work, social care etc. are (which would include care homes for adults) a devolved matter.


      1. Problem is once again, (ie as with many issues facing Scotland) historic though. There are not enough care homes for adults in Scotland, they were never built under the unionists’ watch. Sadly taht can mean that people with say severe autism, end up having to housed in mental health facilities, it’s not good and very sad and stressful for the families.

        ‘Welfare’ generally, far as I know is usually used to describe financial support, which most of is still controlled by the EngGov’s DWP. Councils are no doubt struggling to fund support for people taht need it, it’s always a bit of a battle to access the right support, fully funded.

        Had the branch office LABOUR (HQ’d in London) in their ten year tenure at Holyrood, not sent back £billions back to Westminster, and not plunged Scottish councils into £BILLIONS of ‘debt’ with their PFI schemes (scams), perhaps we’d have been better placed to build good fit for purpose facilities to support and house people with learning disabilities. That ‘debt’ is still having to be paid!

        The SNP have certainly had to work hard to start to repair decades of damage and neglect to Scotland’s communities, re, housing, health, social care and infrastructure, and it’s going to take a lot lot more money and time to get it up to standards fitting for a forward looking, social democratic, 21st century country.

        The British nationalist parties’ legacy lives on, and sadly, it impacts people of Scotland to this day. Only indepedence will allow further progress in repairing the damage to Scotland while chained to the so called union. The EngGovs’ have taken Scotland’s wealth and held the stolen £billions in front of Scotland’s face, and laughed all the way to the banks!

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        1. I agree with much of what you say but I think the picture is slightly more complex, as the direction of travel in the provision of care in Scotland is to maintain people within their own homes as far as possible. This is long-standing Scottish Government policy. All categories of care homes for adults have been declining in number for at least a decade as has the overall number of residents accordingly. The focus in terms of provision of care is primarily on increasing care at home and housing support services (if you look at the growth of the adult social care workforce in Scotland in the last 10 years that’s where you see it).

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      2. A devolved matter the Councils are given the funding. (Unionist) Councils. Unless it is ring fenced. The councils or health boards can decide what to do with it, The Gov is trying to ring fence where ever possible. Eg education. For logistic reasons, with services, sometimes that is not possible.

        The (unionist) councils, often, deliberately defy the Scottish Gov policies. Sometimes they spend funding against the public wishes. With impunity. Councils get elected on promises they renege upon. The popularity for the SNP Gov is they try to honour the promises and manifesto they propose. Or explain why there are problems. The opposition just do not have a clue. Wasting public monies like there is no tomorrow. On endless monstrosities. People do not support or need,

        Glasgow and Edinburgh Councils get £1Billion+ of funding + council tax. Council tax makes up only approx 20% of council funding. The rest comes from the Scottish Gov. From the Block grant. With sometimes additional funding. Health board SNHS funding comes from the Block Grant. One of the biggest Gov spending in Scotland.

        In the UK the NHS funding is £150Billion. Nearly 1/4 of all taxes and revenues raised in the UK. On average £600Billion. Scotland raises £66Billion. It is all in the UK Gov/Scottish Gov accounts. They can be looked up on the internet. It takes mins to find out revenues and taxes raised etc.


    1. I think that may be the case Gavin. Not sure what the situtaion is for people in England but there was a sad case years in Engalnd a few ago where a young man was sent to a health care facility 100’s of miles from his family and it was incredibly stressful for hem, and detrimental to the young man. Sometimes sadly people with severe learning disabilty end up being sectioned, it’s dreadful.

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  6. The provision for additional needs is vastly improving. Inclusion in education etc. Diagnosis is vitally important. Trained additional needs teachers go round schools to help get proper diagnosis implement by educational psychologists. Every adult in Scotland has it available to them by Law. Many parents are now being diagnosed because their children have been. It really helps for everyone. Once the traits are recognised.

    There are schools with bases where pupils can take a break if they need it. Some of the autistic children or people on the spectrum are the smartest when given the adequate help they need. They have exceptional talents. Above the norm.

    Things have vastly improved over the last ten years. Especially in recognising ADHD and autism or other diversity on the spectrum. The world has been shaped by people on the spectrum with above abilities and vastly improved talents by comparison. Given the additional help and support wherever possible.

    Inclusion in school and recognition has been an improved development. Along with computers which can be extremely beneficial. Whiteboards etc. Often small changes once the needs are recognised. Quiet areas or other provisions.

    There is much more awareness now. It could still be improved even more. Advances in science and human development. Bringing further recognition. Awareness is so important. Even for parents. At one time some behaviour was just dismissed as naughty or deviant. That was not the case. People were left behind or dismissed by prejudice. If the children went to other schools they could not do exams or get qualifications. Now they can go to college and university with support.

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    1. Indeed many people excel at their chosen interest/subject etc, dependinng on where the person is on the spectrum, and it’s very varied, as varied as the general population on the street who are who are not on the autism spectrum. Online learning has greatly helped some people with ASD. Sadly though it’s something like, only 15% of people with diagnosed Autism are in paid employment. They really want to be accepted and not dependent on ‘benefits’ whioch is where Universal Basic Income would be really good, to give people a sense of autonomy and allow for self development.
      I could be here all day on this subject though…of course some people will be on the spectrum and never diagnosed, they might just seem strange, nerdy, or a bit eccentric.


  7. Thatcher proposed care in the community. Prison.

    Thatcher shut down much community provision. Cut the budget especially in Scotland. Took all the (Oil) revenues and paid for higher unemployment. Funded London S/E. Closed all the mines when it could have been done gradually. In some areas there was no other employment.

    Unemployment was 20% in NI. The Troubles caused by Westminster policies. Unemployment was 15% in Scotland. The Block Grant was cut, All the industries were closed down. Taking £Billions from Scotland to fund London S/E. Tilbury docks 26miles of container provision, Taking dock workers jobs from all around Britain. Directed transport links through London. More congestion holding up traffic. Expanded Heathrow. Gatwick. Stansted.

    Canary Wharf the ‘loads of money bankers’ funding the Tory Party. Corruption and a false economy. Interest rates were 17%. Inflation was high up to 15%. People lost their houses, they had been encouraged to buy, because interest rates climbed so high. The only place unemployment was under 10% was London S/E. The Poll tax and civil unrest finally put an end to it. The Tories held up Devolution for 20 years, after Scotland has voted for it. Thatcher Sold off affordable council houses and did not build more.

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