McKenna doesn’t get Misogyny shock!

Leaving aside the rich irony of a defender of the Catholic Church suggesting that the SNP is authoritarian and unconcerned about women’s rights, Kevin McKenna, like Johann Lamont yesterday, has missed the point, deliberately or because they’re too thick to understand, what Humsa Yousaf was saying about the Hate Crime Bill.

Pay attention now.

Yousaf was arguing that an amendment to add sex to the list of protected characteristics in the bill might not be as effective as the creation of a standalone offence to tackle misogynist abuse.

That’s why he has set up an independent working group under Helena Kennedy to consider it. The formidable Kennedy is the author of Eve Was Shamed, an account of how the flaws in an inadequate UK legal system continue to wrong women.

That’s why the majority, clearly understanding better than Lamont, voted down her amendment to the Act.

That’s why Scottish Women’s Aid and Rape Crisis Scotland are against just amending the Act and support the work of Kennedy’s group.

Before attacking the SNP again, maybe McKenna should read:

Gender-Based Violence and Christianity: Catholic Prevention of Divorce Traps Women in an Abusive Marriage: https://www.researchgate.net/publication/310395594_Gender-Based_Violence_and_Christianity_Catholic_Prevention_of_Divorce_Traps_Women_in_an_Abusive_Marriage

or

The Authoritarianism of the Catholic Church in Ireland: http://www.judecollins.com/2020/04/the-authoritarianism-of-the-catholic-church-in-ireland-by-joe-mcveigh/

17 thoughts on “McKenna doesn’t get Misogyny shock!

  1. Why not include it in current bill with a view to review/amend/delete/add when Kennedy reports even if only to avoid discord before election?

    Would it undermine the then proposed Bill / now Act?

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    1. If you are interested in the balancing of judgement on this issue, I strongly advise you to read this from Engender, Scotland’s feminist policy and advocacy organisation:

      See: https://www.engender.org.uk/content/publications/Engender-Parliamentary-Briefing-Hate-Crime-and-Public-Order-Bill-Stage-3.pdf

      In so doing you will also note in passing this instance of ‘talking up’ Scotland’s Parliament:

      “Parliament has done some of its best cross-party work on complex issues around violence against women. Its Domestic Abuse (Scotland) Act has been hailed as ‘gold standard’ legislation, because parliamentary engagement with the Bill was deeply informed by women’s lived experience of men’s violence. We believe that similar detailed scrutiny is needed to provide adequate protection in respect of women and deeply embedded misogyny and inequality, which is not possible within the timetable available for the Bill.”

      Back to the main point, Engender: ‘… welcomed the Justice Committee’s conclusion that “Whilst the arguments are finely balanced, the Committee considers it might be wise to wait until the Working Group on Misogynistic Harassment has reported before Parliament considers legislating to add sex as a hate crime characteristic.”

      ‘With consensus and momentum behind the need to address the misogyny and hatred toward women there is an opportunity for an ambitious ‘fit for purpose’ approach.

      ‘Engender therefore urges Parliament to support the Bill’s approach, which leaves it open to Parliament to add a sex aggravator if and when solutions to these problems have been identified. The Misogyny Working Group has committed to reporting on this within a year… ‘

      Engender’s view has now been endorsed by the Scottish Government and Parliament. Engender has agreed to participate in Dame Helena Kennedy’s Working Group on Misogyny and Criminal Justice in Scotland.

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  2. *******BEWARE*******

    McKenna is a false flag operator. Like Neil McKay and Wings.

    Join MI5-R-US and get a FREE sheriff badge in finest antique plastic.

    You KNOW it makes (NO ) sense.

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    1. Not convinced Whinge over Nuthin is False flag. Yesterday it was telling “folks” not to vote. “Don’t bother voting in May, folks”

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    1. Disturbing. It’s so bad people are thinking of emigrating.

      A section aimed souly at Scotland

      “Take Section 55.3 (b) which – for Scotland alone – gives the senior police officer (rank unspecified), making regulations for an authorised public demonstration, power to specify maximum numbers participating.”

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    1. Absolutely. And her comments during the Fabiani Enquiry did not show her up in a good light either. RCS are funded by the Scottish Govt, and her next job will be dependant on keeping in with them. A clear conflict of interest.

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  3. That’s no reason not to include women in the HCB. Enough of us have made it clear we are unhappy about the exclusion of women for the ScotGov to consider it at least, instead of digging their heels in.

    I haven’t seen anything to suggest the CEO of Rape Crisis Scotland cares about what the staff and users of that organisation consider important. Her behaviour over #SexNotGender and the Harrassment Enquiry have shown that she will do whatever the SNP leadership want.

    And if your main criticism of Kevin McKenna is whatabouttery about the Catholic Church, it suggests you know he has a point.

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    1. ” Enough of us have made it clear we are unhappy about the exclusion of women for the ScotGov to consider it at least, instead of digging their heels in.”

      You need to ‘keep up’ with what’s been happening in our Parliament and by doing so avoid mis-representation. So here for all to read is the evidence that the matter is most definitely being considered (“at least”). (I have already posted this material on previous threads so to those that have already read it my apologies. This for AnneDon which I hope she finds informative.)

      Source: https://www.gov.scot/groups/misogyny-and-criminal-justice-in-scotland-working-group/

      ‘The Working Group on Misogyny and Criminal Justice in Scotland has been set up to independently consider how the Scottish criminal justice system deals with misogyny. This includes looking at whether there are gaps in the law that could be addressed by a specific criminal offence to tackle such behaviour.”

      “The group will also consider whether a statutory aggravation and/or a stirring up of hatred offence in relation to the characteristic of sex should be added to the Hate Crime and Public Order (Scotland) legislation by regulation at a future date.”

      The group is chaired by Baroness Helena Kennedy QC. She has appointed a panel of six experts with specialisms in Scots law, human rights, women’s equality and perpetrator behaviours relating to gender based violence.”

      The Remit of the Group includes but is not limited to:

      “Identify whether there are gaps in the existing law and/or where there is a failure to implement existing legislation in a way that protects women and girls. This will include whether the characteristics of sex should be included within the hate crime framework as a statutory aggravation and/or if sex should be added to stirring up hatred offences (subject to the Bill as passed).

      “Consider the legal practice in Scotland and internationally that offers the best protection for women and girls and examine how misogyny may be best tackled through a legal lens. “

      And on remit it adds: “ … work in partnership to develop a specific definition of misogyny within a Scottish legal context, taking account of behaviours that already fall within criminal law and actions that can be taken out with the criminal law to address women’s experiences relating to misogynistic behaviour or inequality, challenge men’s behaviour and wider societal attitudes.”

      For more information, membership of the working group includes but is not limited to:
      Baroness Helena Kennedy QC – Chair – Labour Party member of the House of Lords where she is active on a range of human rights advocacy matters. domestically and internationally. She is the author of the book ‘Eve was Framed: Women and British Justice’: a critique of the treatment of women in the British courts

      Emma Ritch – Executive Director at Engender, the Scotland-based feminist policy and advocacy organisation. Its aim is “to make women’s inequality visible, and persuade those with power to make positive changes to services, policy, regulation, practices, and laws that negatively affect women.”

      And to re-enforce the point if still needed by you or other readers inclined to accept your btl post at face value:

      If you are interested in the balancing of judgement on this issue, I strongly advise you to read this from Engender, Scotland’s feminist policy and advocacy organisation:

      Source: https://www.engender.org.uk/content/publications/Engender-Parliamentary-Briefing-Hate-Crime-and-Public-Order-Bill-Stage-3.pdf

      In so doing you will also note in passing this instance of ‘talking up’ Scotland’s Parliament:

      “Parliament has done some of its best cross-party work on complex issues around violence against women. Its Domestic Abuse (Scotland) Act has been hailed as ‘gold standard’ legislation, because parliamentary engagement with the Bill was deeply informed by women’s lived experience of men’s violence. We believe that similar detailed scrutiny is needed to provide adequate protection in respect of women and deeply embedded misogyny and inequality, which is not possible within the timetable available for the Bill.”

      Back to the main point, Engender: ‘… welcomed the Justice Committee’s conclusion that “Whilst the arguments are finely balanced, the Committee considers it might be wise to wait until the Working Group on Misogynistic Harassment has reported before Parliament considers legislating to add sex as a hate crime characteristic.”

      ‘With consensus and momentum behind the need to address the misogyny and hatred toward women there is an opportunity for an ambitious ‘fit for purpose’ approach.

      ‘Engender therefore urges Parliament to support the Bill’s approach, which leaves it open to Parliament to add a sex aggravator if and when solutions to these problems have been identified. The Misogyny Working Group has committed to reporting on this within a year… ‘

      Engender’s view has now been endorsed by the Scottish Government and Parliament. Engender has agreed to participate in Dame Helena Kennedy’s Working Group on Misogyny and Criminal Justice in Scotland.

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      1. Engender are yet another group who are funded by the Scottish Govt and leap to do their bidding. They have moved a long way from their initial set up.
        The only groups who have supported the Scottish Govt in the GRA/HCB/ other assorted legislation (including conflating sex with gender) ignoring women have been fully funded by the Scottish govt.
        They are not independent organisations acting on behalf of their notional “clients”. They are run by people who want to stay on the Third Sector gravy train.

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  4. Conflating sex with gender in law, indicates that natal women don’t have a legal right to protect their legal identity from male colonisation. The original GRA didn’t do this, as it clearly referred to the legal recognition of adopted gender. So such conflation would appear to be a clear example of “policy creep”. Changing sex is medically impossible, so the law should not suggest it is possible, if the law wants to remain just.

    Human Dignity and Human Rights
    https://link.springer.com/referenceworkentry/10.1007%2F978-94-007-2512-6_66

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  5. Under the Domestic abuse Act women can be accused of abusing the abuser. Caroline Flack. Who then committed suicide. The charges cannot be dropped even when the abuser complainant wants them dropped. After a complaint from a third party. Justice?

    Holding a year consultation into ‘Wolf whistling’? When-

    Women who co habit do not have equal rights, with other women (or men). They have to put in a claim. (1/3?). They have to fight through Courts. It costs £thousands and can take years. They can lose the roof over their heads. Their home.

    Women have to stay in unsafe, unhealthy abusive situations because of the Law. Change it. There is little legal aid. It has to be paid back in any case. They have changed the Law in England. So women can get legal aid without losing their house/home. It affects children as well.

    There has been consultations going on for years. Still nothing is done to change the Law. Give women who cohabit (the majority) equal rights with other women (and men). It is 2021. Not the 1950’s.

    Change the Law.

    Women can request a woman doctor for procedures. An additional nurse has to be in the room for intimate procedures, For all concerned.

    The Catholic Church does not agree with contraception or abortion. It affects 16% of the population who declare as that religion.. It affects women’s right to chose. Worldwide the Catholic Church is one of most wealthy organisation. There is so much poverty in the world and abusers.

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  6. Don’t answer the door to the Police unless they have a warrant. To keep people safe.

    Too many people on the spectrum are in prison, 50%. They need help and support. They can be vulnerable and persuaded.by others. They are 20% of the population. 85% of the male population have a criminal conviction.

    The police and others in the justice system should have more diversity training and knowledge. People on the spectrum can react badly when confront by an misunderstood situation. They can be scared, afraid and act differently from the norm.

    The Lord Advocate needs some instruction on the Law. Losing £Millions of public monies.

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