
The Sun, yesterday has the above, but holds back from identifying this as a problem deriving from the activity of county lines drugs gangs based in England.
I’ve been writing about this plague of extreme crime, at TuS for years now, shamelessly exploiting as fully as I can the political benefits of such a plague in making the case for independence. I make no bones about it. I’m biased like the Unionist media but unlike them I use reliable sources of evidence to make my case.
However, this time why don’t I hand over responsibility completely to a system that has no agenda on this, blinding speed and pretty good journalistic and researcher standards, compared to the MSM, built in – AI?
I have not changed a word of what follows:
Dear SuperGrok AI: ‘Are the gangs at the top level located outside of Scotland?‘
Yes, in the county lines model described in the Scottish Sun article (and consistently reported by Police Scotland and other sources), the higher-level or controlling gangs are typically based outside Scotland—most often in major English cities.Key evidence
- The article itself states that the gangs “shift drugs across national and district borders — such as from Manchester or Liverpool to Glasgow and Edinburgh — and then move them on to towns and villages across the country.” https://www.thescottishsun.co.uk/news/16690683/kids-lured-gangs-cash-gifts-couriers-dealers/
- Police Scotland has repeatedly described Scotland as predominantly an importer of county lines (not an exporter to England/Wales). Merseyside (Liverpool area) is frequently identified as the single largest exporting area into Scotland. Other common sources include London, the West Midlands (e.g., Birmingham), Manchester, and occasionally other English hubs. https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-scotland-50090140.amp
- Specific examples from recent reporting and operations:
- Lines and groups linked to Liverpool/Merseyside (“Scouse” lines), London, and the West Midlands operating in the Highlands, Inverness, Aberdeen, Aberdeenshire, Perthshire, and elsewhere.
- Joint operations between Police Scotland and forces such as Merseyside Police or the Metropolitan Police targeting controllers based in those English cities.
- Drugs (heroin, crack cocaine, etc.) moved north, with local (often Scottish) vulnerable people or children used as lower-level runners, dealers, or for “cuckooing” (taking over homes).
Context and nuance
- Scotland has its own longstanding organised crime groups (especially in Glasgow and the West Coast) that dominate parts of the domestic drugs market and wholesale supply. Some of these have historical or ongoing links to English hubs (particularly Liverpool) for bulk supply.
- County lines specifically refers to the model in which urban-based organised crime groups (or street gangs) expand outward by establishing dedicated phone “lines” and using exploited people to deal in smaller or more rural markets. In Scotland’s case, the originating groups for these lines are overwhelmingly English-based.
- Local facilitators or mid-level actors in Scotland often assist, but the top-level control of the lines (phone lines, supply, direction, and much of the profit extraction) sits outside Scotland.
In short, while Scottish organised crime is heavily involved in the overall drugs trade, the particular “county lines” gangs recruiting and exploiting Scottish children as described in the article are characteristically controlled from outside Scotland, primarily from English cities such as Liverpool, Manchester, London, and Birmingham.
Does the Sun make that clear?
No, the Scottish Sun article does not make it fully or explicitly clear.It comes closest with this single sentence:
“The gangs shift drugs across national and district borders — such as from Manchester or Liverpool to Glasgow and Edinburgh — and then move them on to towns and villages across the country.”
That implies the drugs (and therefore the higher-level supply) originate outside Scotland, specifically citing English cities. However:
- It does not state outright that the top-level or controlling gangs are based outside Scotland.
- It does not explain the classic county-lines structure (urban English-based groups directing operations into Scotland while using local recruits as lower-level runners/dealers).
- Most of the article focuses on the Scottish end of the problem — the recruitment of local kids, the numbers flagged by Police Scotland, the impact on children and communities in Scotland, and quotes from Scottish-based experts, charities, and officers.
So a reader could reasonably take away that “gangs” are operating in and around Scotland and moving drugs around, without grasping that the directing/organising level of these particular county-lines networks is typically based in England. The article assumes some knowledge of how county lines work rather than spelling out the cross-border hierarchy.
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It’s all deliberate. Deploy paid ops (criminals), create unsafe areas and violence in communities, blame the democratically elected government in the (sanctioned) country you want to keep control of, and it’s a win win. The UKBritNat state is a huge lose lose for Scotland.
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I’m sick to death of the Westminster establishment press and televised propaganda.
we can’t vote them out but there must be some way we can rid ourselves of this vermin before we’re independent.
John Lawson
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There is. Community Centres throughout Scotland could organise a public education campaign to advise parents, teenagers, teachers and doctors in every locality of the nature and origins of this plague. Local people will already know where the problems are but have no idea how to deal with it. Public meetings would give them an opportunity to share ideas.
In the absence of a public service broadcaster then grass roots methods are necessary.
It would need some direction at government level and training of the trainers but the infrastructure is there. Is the political will?
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BBC Website story 17 August based on numerous (selective) online media reports today on this story:
“Burnham exchanged messages with person posing as Trump’s chief of staff”.
“Prime Minister Andy Burnham exchanged messages with a person posing as the chief of staff to US President Donald Trump“
“Downing Street has declined to comment on the security breach, first reported by Politico”
“Politico reported that officials said Burnham communicated with the person claiming to be Susie Wiles “before becoming suspicious that the contact was illegitimate” and claimed only a “few messages” were exchanged”
“A government spokesperson said: “We do not comment on national security matters.”
Then further down this BBC article they also added that:
“In 2024, the Foreign Office (FCDO) confirmed then-foreign secretary David Cameron had fallen victim to to a hoax call with someone pretending to be former Ukrainian President Petro Poroshenko”
(“fallen victim to” ? That’s the actual former Tory UK Foreign Secretary conned so easily by someone posing as the former Ukrainian President, so are we, the public, then expected to sympathise with Cameron the “victim”, as opposed to fearing and then realising that he was surely yet another one in a high position within a UK government who posed a real national security risk).
The BBC article added that:
“Lord Cameron also exchanged some text messages with the impersonator pretending to be Poroshenko, who was president of Ukraine between 2014 and 2019“.
It is also worth noting that within this BBC article upon this particular Burnham revelation that no opposition politicians were asked their opinion of this potential “security risk/breach by Andy Burnham the new Labour UK PM.
(That’s only ‘reserved’ , as a habitual action by the BBC, against the politicians within the SNP).
Also this new Labour UK government assume that this security risk/breach, by their Labour UK PM in this matter, then makes it somehow totally acceptable for them to just state “We do not comment on national security matters.” (unless it’s connected to Scotland, they forgot to add).
However one also wonders how the Labour UK government can put the kibosh on the Chinese renewable energy firm building a £1.5bn wind turbine manufacturing plant at Ardersier Port in the Scottish Highlands for supposed security reasons when……….
………we now we have the actual UK PM who has been reported as having “exchanged messages with a person posing as President Trump’s chief of staff”.
Who is the (homegrown) real security risk here ?
Liz S
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It , the Burnham story as my above comment, is still the top story on the BBC Website UK politics section but not on their main UK page.
However it is not , as a story, on their Scottish politics page.
So how come the stories that are #LabourHQBad stories do not get onto the BBC’s Scotland main page nor onto their Scottish politics page?
After all it is relevant to Scotland as we are controlled by reserved powers held by HQ parties , currently Labour HQ, who are the existing UK government.
Liz S
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