Why giving your second vote to one of the small pro-independence parties will not increase the overall number of pro-independence party MSPs in Scotland and risks even increasing number of unionist MSPs so ‘Both votes SNP’

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This is an almost entirely AI report. I trust it more than I would any assessment by human beings with the unavoidable biases and predispositions we all possess [me too] and which, even unconsciously, direct what we think is our conscious thinking.

Yes I know AI can be, and has been, taught to have such biases and predispositions and I would not trust any of them to be fair on issues of socialism, human rights, Gaza or Trump but, as far as I can see, they have, as yet, no ‘horse in our race’ – Scottish independence.

I’ve read it through carefully and see no major concerns. I welcome comment from readers.

First – What happens when you give your list vote to a small pro-indy party

  1. It often wastes the vote outright (the most common outcome for very small parties).
    In 2021, Alba got 1.7% of the national list vote (44,000 votes). Nationally that was theoretically enough for 2–3 seats, but the votes were spread thinly across all 8 regions. In no single region did they reach the effective threshold needed to win a seat under d’Hondt. Result: 0 MSPs. Those votes elected nobody.
  2. It splits the pro-independence list vote, lowering the quotients of the viable pro-indy parties (mainly SNP and Greens).
    Suppose in a region the total pro-indy list vote is 55%. If it’s concentrated (e.g. 45% SNP + 10% Green), the viable parties have high enough quotients to compete for and win list seats against unionists.
    If split further (e.g. 40% SNP + 8% Green + 7% small party), the small party usually never wins a seat, the SNP and Green quotients are now lower, so unionist parties (with more concentrated votes) win more of the list seats in the successive d’Hondt rounds.
  3. Net result: fewer total pro-independence MSPs, more unionist MSPs.
    The constituency MSPs (mostly SNP) stay the same. But on the list, you get fewer pro-indy top-ups and more unionist ones. The overall number of pro-independence MSPs does not increase — and can decrease. The number of unionist MSPs increases relative to what it would have been.
    This is why “Both Votes SNP” (or SNP 1 + Green 2 where it makes sense) is pushed by people wanting to maximise the pro-indy total: it avoids wasting votes on parties too small to clear the regional threshold and keeps the pro-indy list vote as efficient as possible.

Real-world example: 2021 election

Alba explicitly campaigned for “SNP constituency + Alba list” to create a “supermajority.” They got zero seats. The pro-indy total ended up at 72 MSPs (SNP 64 + Green 8). Many analysts (and SNP supporters) argued that the diverted list votes helped unionists pick up extra list seats they wouldn’t otherwise have won. The Greens succeeded as a list party because they had enough concentrated support; smaller parties like Alba did not.

Bottom line

Giving your second vote to a small pro-independence party rarely adds new pro-indy MSPs (because they usually fail to win any list seats). Instead, it fragments the list vote that could have gone to parties capable of actually taking seats from unionists. The system rewards concentration of list votes among the pro-indy parties that can realistically compete in d’Hondt (SNP where they can still get list seats, or Greens). Spreading it to micro-parties is the electoral equivalent of burning votes — and it hands the compensatory list seats to unionists.This is a mechanical feature of the AMS/d’Hondt system, not a moral judgement. Tactical voting only works when the smaller party is big enough to actually win seats in specific regions. For truly small parties, it backfires.

Sources: Analysis specific to 2021 election, Alba, vote splitting, and wasted votes

These sources (official docs + post-2021 analyses) substantiate the explanation: the system’s compensatory nature + d’Hondt divisors mean small pro-indy list parties rarely win seats if their vote is too dispersed/low, while splitting reduces the quotients of viable pro-indy options (mainly Greens, sometimes SNP in weaker regions), letting unionist parties (with more concentrated votes and lower starting divisors) claim extra list MSPs. In 2021, Alba’s approach demonstrably didn’t add pro-indy MSPs and contributed to vote inefficiency on the indy side.

Important footnote by the human here: You could make a case for SNP 1 Green 2 but it’s a big risk because it would only work if you could be sure beforehand that the Green vote in your area would be big enough to earn an MSP, and you cannot be sure of that.

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7 thoughts on “Why giving your second vote to one of the small pro-independence parties will not increase the overall number of pro-independence party MSPs in Scotland and risks even increasing number of unionist MSPs so ‘Both votes SNP’

  1. We can assume that the addition of Reform to the unionist side of the Holyrood election will dilute their vote and , hopefully , reduce the number of Constituency/List MSPs . As an Independence supporter I welcome this .

    So why would I welcome the addition of smaller ”independence parties” potentially attracting votes away from the SNP and , perhaps, aiding the unionist opposition parties ?

    If you want an Independence majority in Holyrood then vote for the party that has the greatest chance of achieving this ; in the Constituency that is the SNP ; in the List it is still the SNP .

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  2. On current polling SNP2 is a wasted vote in ALL regions hence SNP polling to win absolute zero list seats this is widely published. This is due in part to the diluting effect of likely winning so many constituency seats but also the now much reduced SNP2 vote (10% less than constituency votes) in 2011 SNP1 votes =SNP2 votes that is now NOT the case. I will be voting SNP1 YOUR PARTY 2. The arrival of the now independence supporting YOUR PARTY is a gift from the gods for the 47% (most recent poll) of Labour voters who would vote for Independence. I don’t think it is too late for the effect of Your Party to take hold. What is absolutely certain is SNP2 is a vote for a Unionist SNP just as it was in 2021 for all the same reasons.

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  3. Are there any risks to the number of pro independence seats with an SNP 1 and 2 vote? I remember past discussions where a strong constituency SNP vote had a negative impact on the list vote if the SNP also topped the list.
    this may still be an acceptable risk overall but thought I’d raise the question.

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  4. Since 2007, the SNP has won most or all of the constituency seats in Glasgow and, even though it gets the largest number of list votes, it gots no additional seats. So, voting SNP on the list in Glasgow is a wasted vote. Therefore, I and others have usually given our list vote to the Green Party which has delivered additional independence supporting MSPs. Arguably, at the last election, the Green Party could have won three more list seats but was thwarted because candidates purporting to be from The Green Party of Scotland were on the ballot in Glasgow and elsewhere and were placed immediately above the genuine Greens and, unfortunately gained a significant number of votes by voters hoodwinked into thinking it was the real Greens. Had these votes, or a majority of them, gone to the Greens, the Greens would have had three more seats and the unionists – 2 Labour and 1 Tory – would have had three fewer.

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