Only a small sub-poll sample but Reform UK just ahead of SNP and Labour in 6th and bottom place

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Professor John Robertson OBA

From pollsters Find out Now for 10th September 2025, the above.

The full UK sample of 1 522 has Labour a poor second but still, nevertheless, second because too many of them feel they have nowhere else to go, until Corbyn gets back into these polls.

The Scottish sample is too small to be reliable but still potentially unnerving for the SNP and humiliating for Labour, down in last place.

The previous poll for a week ago, does seem to be suggesting the same direction of travel with Reform UK creeping into 2nd place.

The most recent full poll also by More in Common, with a sample of 1 104, on 1 September had:

SNP first on 37%, Labour just second on 17%, Reform UK on 16%, Cons and LDs on 12% and Greens on 5%.

I agree, it’s by no means clear, but I can’t help this bad feeling as Labour collapse and too few, especially young men with Incel tendencies leave Labour for the SNP and are tempted by Reform UK.

The next More in Common polls are worth looking out for.

11 thoughts on “Only a small sub-poll sample but Reform UK just ahead of SNP and Labour in 6th and bottom place

  1. “small sub-poll sample”

    Yet seemingly Scotland is now turning Tory………..as I and others know Reform UK are just the Tories part 2 (in more ways than one…as in too)……via the amount of Tory defectors to Reform UK…..both their politicians and voters.

    Also does no one in this “small sub-poll sample” remember this in the 2019 UK GE :

    “Farage initially vowed that the Brexit Party would contest every UK constituency and reject a pact with the Tories but he later withdrew candidates from 317 Conservative-held seats to avoid splitting the pro-Brexit vote”………….(or are those sampled in this poll more usually Tory as voters so they too want to be a part of the new Tories part 2 as a party)..

    Then…….I also saw this online……….

    “Reform UK’s Zia Yusuf was a former member of the Conservative party, through the whole of the Tory leader Boris Johnson’s premiership, indeed he , Yusuf, was a paid up Tory party member just over a year ago…yet now Yusuf , as the ‘Head of policy’ for Reform UK, has declared Johnson to be “one of the worst PM’s in History”……and has accused Johnson of “betraying Brexit voters” ……….

    (Which was basically really Johnson unable to hide the fact that Brexit was S***…..and also unable to falsely promote aka trying to make up….a list of supposed Brexit benefits to and for people within their UK)……….as has Reform UK failed to explain or promote any real and tangible benefits for their UK (England) in respect to Brexit.

    Then….also online a statement ……….where …………

    “A Reform UK Councillor in Blackpool deleted a post that he had written where he expressed his concerns on Reform UK accepting more former Tories into the party…..as in he stated “importing more Tories”……including Nadine Dorries , who this Councillor stated was “Boris’s cheerleader in Chief”……..he then surmised that “this party” (Reform UK) “was morphing into something” that he “didn’t sign up for” and concluded that it “was starting to feel like the Tories 2.0” …..but only accepting their rejects”….

    (Where I really agree with him is with Nadine Dorries ….as had Boris awarded Nadine Dorries a peerage then she would still be a Tory and so then be an opponent of Reform UK as a party………..with all of this happening in Reform UK he, the Reform UK Councillor, was then “taking time to reflect on this” and also on his “membership of Reform UK” ………this post was on September 7 2025………….).

    Then…….

    The ‘I’ newspaper revealed in September 2025 that “Reform vowed ‘Doge’ savings – then spent £13k on complaints about its own councillors”………

    DOGE is the so called Department of Government Efficiency ….as adopted by Trump’s administration in America……

    That is making “savings” on those things that have benefitted the ‘little man’ more ( a big NO NO apparently) while increasing spending on all of the things that benefit the ‘rich’ more…………but selling it to the public as efficiencies made on their taxes paid…….

    Reform said “a team of software engineers, data analysts and forensic auditors will “visit and analyse” local authorities”……..so not the ‘Human touch’ then as it’s all technical calculations, where personal cost and impact to specific different individuals is of no consequence should it be decided to ‘cut’ something that currently is a (crucial) service provided….to the ‘little man’…….

    Also a way to collate (harvest) the data then proceed to privatise some services …….that’s also Reform UK’s plans for a future UK should they gain power…….so thousands spent on complaints on existing Reform UK Councillors…so what will be spent when perhaps similar (excessive) complaints are made against Reform UK MP’s, Reform UK MSP’s and potentially Reform UK Senedd members and even Reform UK as the potential next UK government ?

    Then in 2014 Nigel Farage declared that “Time to stop Scots tail wagging the dog”….well is that Reform UK’s formal position going into the, checks notes, Scottish elections next year……..good luck with that…..surely not a winning argument to win over the votes from “Scots” whom he, Farage, sees as “wagging the Dog”…..who is the “Dog” that he refers to………..is it his UK or his England….or does he consider both to be the same.

    Are some people in Scotland going to fall for yet another ******* disastrous choice for their precious votes ?

    I really ******* hope not………but it’s not for the want of the BBC in Scotland and their HQ trying to make this a reality……as in seeing Reform UK infiltrate and so pollute our Scottish parliament , in some of them being elected next year or rather us seeing even more Tories defecting to Reform UK as MSP’s…………

    (I wonder though if Reform UK’s bubble eventually bursts…….will some of these same Tory defectors return to their former party……as in will they have another political epiphany to then revert back to their true political home…….as in back to the Tory party part 1……..very very similar to the new Tory party….part 2 aka Reform UK party).

    Liz S

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  2. Those who were stupid enough to vote in all those Labour wallies last time give me no reason to doubt they won’t head for Reform this time around. In fact, I would bet on it.

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  3. Reform UK are an Anglo centric British nationalist party with little interest in Scottish politics other than the funding they will receive from having MSP’s elected. If elected to Westminster they will be hostile to Holyrood and probably look at possible ways to abolish it.

    Reform UK have a core support amongst uber unionist supporters and disaffected young male voters who are susceptible to their victim blaming narrative especially on line. They also appear to be gathering support from fed up ‘plague on all your houses’ voters.More right wing Conservative voters and staunch unionist Labour voters appear susceptible to this narrative as are some socially conservative independence supporters disillusioned with SNP.
    SNP are struggling due to unpopularity arising from incumbency, some undoubted mistakes and an almost universally hostile media in Scotland. Labour benefited from this at last years GE but are already themselves suffering from incumbency, mistakes and a hostile UK media. The Tories are still deeply mistrusted after their disastrous years in power.

    It should be easy to counter Reform in Scotland but neither Labour or Tories appear willing to do this. Labour continue to concentrate their attacks almost exclusively on SNP probably because it is their DNA. Tories are more interested in aping Reform and restricting their attacks to the bizarre line that some Reform representatives support independence.

    The SNP government should not be immune from criticism but the demonisation of the Holyrood government by Labour, Tories and media leads to a deep cynicism in the institutions of government in Scotland and plays into the hands of Reform UK.

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    1. @ Anonymous @ 3.15pm

      Excellent comment….with so very much to agree with in respect to the accuracy of pretty much all of the content you have written within your comment.

      Well said.

      Liz S

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  4. O/T

    Check this out on YouTube

    Meas Mór – Kabin Crew x Tinderbox

    “Young musicians (age 9 to 12) from Edinburgh and Cork unite in a groundbreaking Irish-Scots Gaelic rap project! Led by Kabin Crew and Tinderbox Collective, and supported by Foras na Gaeilge-Colmcille Fund, Barr na gCnoc (UCC) and Ed Sheeran Foundation, this cross-border collaboration has brought the groups together through online workshops to co-write the powerful track “Meas Mór”, a celebration of language, culture, and friendship”

    Really well done by these young ‘uns………also thanks to Bella Caledonia for a post on their ‘X’ account today noting this , that then prompted me to go onto YouTube to view it………BTW the video is also on Bella C’s blog.

    Many of the young as the future generation for both Scotland and also for Ireland’s future as nations ………..see that many of them are currently immune to all of the crap from certain crap sources…..this kind of video content does also help keep them immune from all of that crap………with “crap” being my favourite word to describe all of the……..crap………Ha Ha

    Liz S

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  5. Unfortunately there are enough numpties out there who will believe the spin and will be fooled in the belief the Reform can actually deliver anything. SNP beware!

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  6. Hmmm, the sample is very small so margin of error is a whopping +/- 10%+.

    Find out Now does weekly polling so perhaps easy to see an trends or in fact any outliers. They had similar blip in July where they had a 1% lead, this was a 10% swing to them in a week, the following week showed an 8% swing against them.

    Find out Now does seem to be the pollster that is most successful in finding RUK voters.

    Wikipedia has an interesting table of subsets that perhaps gives a better overview.

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Opinion_polling_in_Scotland_for_the_next_United_Kingdom_general_election

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  7. Tommy Robinson……. today in London …..and his far right ‘rally’ (with Katie Hopkins standing behind him …..of course….as she never wants to miss a moment when she is seen to be ‘there’ when any S*** is going down…. by and with people like her).

    Robinson posted on ‘X’ that “The Lion is awake” (which means that a powerful force has been activated or a dormant threat has emerged , signifying action, power and potential danger)……tick.

    He, Robinson, also said “Patriotism is the future.”……a message that , based on past statements, we know that the Labour UK PM, Keir Starmer , agrees with……. as Starmer has also stated his similar version of this about his same kind of “Patriotism”.

    There is a madness in England that has now seen the Far Right be even more emboldened since the 2016 Brexit vote…..and yes we can blame Farage and his many various pretend so called ‘political’ parties….

    Yet also we must blame both the Tories and Labour too for what is now happening….which is apparently all being done in the name of their favoured and beloved “patriotism” …………for their British State……..

    Not that long ago….in 2014…..we were told in Scotland to ………..

    Just say NO…..and see how much Better both we as a people and also our country will be in the future Together with the rest of the UK………

    Pity then that there was no crystal ball available for those who did vote NO back then….

    Of course some who voted NO may now be very very happy at how things have panned out as they may be those who agree with the likes of either Tommy Robinson, or Labour’s Keir Starmer or even indeed Nigel Farage or even agree with all of the various Tory UK PM’s….to include the worse ones as in BJ or Liz Truss…..

    While some others who voted NO , and so who are less staunch and also a tad less radicalised by the so called ‘Patriots’ of the UK, may now feel that they were fooled into believing that only with a NO vote….

    Would it be what ?………….a…………..supposed.

    Continued stability and security within the Status quo of a future sustained UK State that still had Scotland a part of it ?

    Or a……..definite…..as in now what we are actually seeing ……a…..

    Future which would allow , as in see what some voted for when they voted NO, with Scotland now trapped in a future Fascist UK State with the likes of the very much seemingly embittered Katie Hopkins constantly trolling us in Scotland (to try to sustain her eternal quest to gain more notoriety and so also some wealth too for herself) and also Tommy Robinson telling us in Scotland that we Jocks better obey them (the supposed English Nationalists aka fascists) or be what ?……..destroyed ?).

    BTW one wonders who pays for the organisation of such a rally in London today…and then one also wonders who, politically, hopes to benefit from it as an outcome…..

    #WhoFundsTommyRobinson

    This London Far Right Fascist rally will surely be , as an event, orgasmic for the likes of GB News (and also for some others too….. as in those within the so called UK ‘mainstream’ media…..who, as a so called UK MSM, are often seen to be teetering on the edge of radicalisation themselves in their constantly promoting much of the words and actions of those on the Far Right way way way too often …on their UK TV programmes and also within their UK newspapers…………..

    In fact we cannot turn on our TV’s for news or open a newspaper to then not see that they, as a MSM…are not just dipping their media toes into promoting the Far Right ……but actually placing most of themselves as a UK supposed mainstream media, via their output , into the dirty depths of the Far right’s propaganda……as they relay…. as in communicate…. the wrong message by the wrong messengers to the UK State’s public.

    Will our MSM dare to note that it was a Far Right rally in London today or will they keep calling it a “Unite the Kingdom rally“……….whose real motivation as a ‘rally’ is to ensure that their supposed “Kingdom” remains disunited , full of rage and Hate and so up for the fight….. where it will be a fight by the Far right against what ?……..

    The so called “Woke Left”…..and all that they, the Far Right, say that means (as in who needs hope when they can have loadsa hate)…………

    Where is the so called UK PM today…….too weak now to call a spade a ******* spade…

    BTW this Far Right rally in London, is all happening under the UK’s WATCH…..

    Just remember that the next time some false and trite sentiment is spewed out by someone from an opposition party ….as in those who are opposed to Scottish independence….as apparently according to them our independence, as a future aspiration, only generates more division and greater animosity……how long before they who march today in London in the name of their supposed “patriotism” then eventually at some point decides in the future to also march against us in Scotland……..who will our UK political opponents blame then ?

    (No prizes for guessing)………….it will be us and also the SNP……

    As ‘Breaking News’ for all within Scotland…..think carefully on the best future for both you , your families and friends and also for your country

    Or else , just keep burying your head in the sand, and so then condemn both yourselves and also others in Scotland to live in a future Fascist Far Right UK State………….

    One that is controlled by those whose main focus and concern is only for themselves and also for those who fund them……as in those who fund them to then also benefit financially too within a future UK Fascist State that they helped to create…………..

    Reality of the here and now is very much on display in their UK State, so we can either see it for what it is……..or once again some of us can just keep looking away and hope for the best….yet while doing this they still witness with our own eyes, hear with our own ears and so realising surely that everything is getting far far worse both within and because of their UK State…for Scotland. (that could have been free from it all post 2014)………..

    (Which , as a constant depressing position, is all that their UK State ever seems to always offer us in Scotland…… )

    Liz S

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  8. This must be be a record, ten comments, nine from Anonymous, hard to tell if they’re different people, apart from Liz who puts her name on hers

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