Cavity fire barriers ensure no Grenfell here but media disinformation continues to panic residents

From BBC Scotland today:

A father has told the BBC he moved his family out of a flat complex in Glasgow after fire safety issues were found.

Abhijeet Kadwe said he feared for his children’s safety after learning that the Lancefield Quay flats had the same cladding as Grenfell Tower.

A 24/7 fire patrol has been put in place in the building by the Scottish government after developers failed to make improvements.

It emerged that the building had ACM (aluminium composite material) cladding – the same material that caused the 2017 fire at Grenfell Tower to spread so quickly.

The tragedy resulted in the deaths of 72 people.

After learning this, Mr Kadwe moved his family to Anniesland last year.

Regulars here have stopped reading but for anyone not familiar, ‘the same material that caused the 2017 fire at Grenfell Tower to spread so quickly.‘ is inaccurate.

It may be a similarly flammable material but that alone is not why it spread so quickly in Grenfell.

The reason, in Grenfell, but demonstrably not in Scottish blocks is this:

The Chimney Effect

Cavity fire barriers prevent this:

From BBC Glasgow & West today in September 2022:

Firefighters have extinguished a blaze which broke out at a tower block in the south side of Glasgow.

Emergency services were alerted to the incident in Shawhill Road, Shawlands, at about 21:00 on Saturday.

The Scottish Fire and Rescue Service dispatched eight fire engines. Large plumes of smoke were seen coming from windows on the block’s upper floors.

The fire was reported as extinguished after 22:00. It is understood there were no reported casualties.

Why did this fire not spread to other floors and with terrible consequences?

Simple: Cavity Fire Barriers.

Reader Gordon Darge wrote for us in January 2020:

As a chartered architect in Scotland for 40 years I can confirm that the Building Regulations Technical Standards Scotland have for two decades required cavity fire barriers

2.4 Cavities
Mandatory Standard
Standard 2.4
Every building must be designed and constructed in such a way that in the event of an outbreak of fire within the building, the spread of fire and smoke within cavities in its structure and fabric is inhibited.

This includes for example, around the head, jambs and sill of an external door or window opening, at all floor levels and building corners etc. to prevent the spread of fire in building cavities. This would have prevented the spread of the fire at Grenfell Tower.

This is difficult and expensive to achieve and I can only guess that in England they did not follow the Scottish model because Westminster and the Tories were led by the vested interests of big business, property developers and large construction firms.

For anyone wanting more info see:

They worked in tower block fire in 2021:

A fire in 2021 was contained within one floor and had no casualties:

According to BBC Scotland:

Residents of a multi-storey block of flats in Glasgow had to be evacuated after a fire broke out on the 17th floor. Fire crews were called to the block on Lincoln Avenue in the Knightswood area of the city at 04:08. Residents were safely removed from the building by the fire service and there were no casualties. A total of nine fire appliances attended the incident which took about five hours to bring under full control. A spokeswoman for Scottish Fire and Rescue Service said: “Operations control mobilised nine appliances to Lincoln Avenue where the fire was affecting the 17th floor of the multi-storey block of flats.” The spokeswoman said residents from the 17th and 18th floors were removed and the fire has been extinguished.

No towering inferno.

6 thoughts on “Cavity fire barriers ensure no Grenfell here but media disinformation continues to panic residents

  1. My house has the same wooden skirting boards as grenfell but ……
    My house has the same wooden doors as grenfell but ……

    BBC doing Scotland down includes comparing Scotland to England bad whenever it can even incorrectly

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  2. As a follow up to the earlier HMS James Cook “Fire patrol rolled out at flats amid safety issues”, it seems obvious bad news on the Grenfell Inquiry is expected to be released in England, hence James obeying orders to “make smoke”.

    The SG response is not so much the result of the “fire engineer’s safety report… in late December”, as failure by the developers to reach agreement dealing with it.

    What was crucial in the case of Grenfell over and above the mechanics of the fire is that any fire officer (irrespective of building standards) would have identified the flaw and instructed remedy – The LFB fire experts were effectively neutered on Grenfell, with the installer self-certifying the installation – The infamous “do away with red tape” approach taken by the Kensington Tories.
    Hence Gove being sent out to publicise the “flaws” in regulations for exploitation when the Inquiry inevitably points the finger of blame.

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  3. STV did a similar misleading story last night about Lancefield Quay – mentioned the cladding , mentioned Grenfell , mentioned the fears of the tenants , but through ignorance ( really ? ) or editorial direction , did not give the information that NO GRENFELL type disaster could happen due to the stricter Scottish Building Regulations .
    Surely STV were not trying to spread fear and alarm using the tragic deaths of many people in a scenario that could NOT be repeated in Scotland ?

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  4. The National, yes I do wonder sometimes, had an article with a similar focus on the Scottish gov and what they were doing, rather than on the failures of the contractor. The article had no explanation of what the problem actually was, which to my mind should have been the purpose of the article.

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    1. Yes. This is the nub of this issue. The private owner of the block had failed to address a number of issues in a fire safety evaluation of the flats about 2 years ago. The Scottish Government, using powers available to it, had sent in fire patrollers to reassure residents, while arrangements are being made to have the owner address the issues he/she was legally required to do. This is a public body acting in the interests of a section of the public to protect them against the failures of a profit driven rentier.

      We have been told again and again by the media that privatisation is good because private owners have to keep doing the right thing otherwise ‘customers’ will go elsewhere. IT IS A TOTAL LIE, PARTICULARLY WITH REGARD TO TRANSPORT, ENERGY, WATER, EDUCATION, etc, although fortunately not all of these apply in Scotland.

      The aim of businesses is to MAXIMISE RETURNS FOR SHAREHOLDERS. And, safeguards for customers and employees are seen as ‘overheads’ or ‘red tape’ which have to be reduced to maximise profits

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