Dernière: SNP fails Francophiles with rejection of restoration of Auld Alliance

Quite Frankly [sic], I thought ‘merde’ when I read this.

In a Freedom of Information response published yesterday, after only 16 days of deliberation, the Scottish Government has rejected the idea [anon] of restoring the Auld Alliance with France.

Here’s the main part of the response:

To confirm the Scottish Government has no plans to restore the Auld Alliance in the event of Scotland becoming an independent country.
I have included some additional context about Scotland’s international priorities, including enhancing our relationship with France.


Scotland is a nation with a rich international history and sees an increased role for itself on the international stage in the future. Through the Scottish Government’s International Framework, our innovation and investment hubs (a network of 8 international offices) and international engagement strategies, we have tailored our approach to strengthening our international relationships and increasing our influence worldwide. We believe that Scotland’s interests are best served as an independent country within the EU and we will continue to explore how Scotland can build a strong future relationship with the EU.


The Scottish Government cherishes its close relationship with France. We believe that it brings significant benefits to both of our countries and we want it to flourish further in the years ahead. The First Minister officially opened the Scottish Government’s Paris Hub in February 2019, which is co-located with Scottish Development International (SDI) within the British Consulate in central Paris.  The Hub has a crucial role to play in building and strengthening Scotland’s ties with France, which go back for more than seven hundred years. We not only enjoy strong cultural ties with France, but also strong trade and commercial links. Having a Hub in France represents our commitment, not only to our relationship with France, but also to Scotland’s role as an open and outward looking European country.

https://www.gov.scot/publications/foi-202000028226/

The Auld Alliance treaty stipulated that if either country were attacked by England, the other country would invade English territory. More knowledgeable readers are invited to correct moi but, based on a quick search, it seems that the Scots kept their side of the bargain a bit more enthusiastically than the French did.

I remain prepared to change my opinion, but at the moment, I’m with the Scottish Government and it’s a ‘NON!’

I don’t like that Macron guy either.

13 thoughts on “Dernière: SNP fails Francophiles with rejection of restoration of Auld Alliance”

  1. Aye! It wisnae jist Albion that is perfidious. The French wur aye capable o a bit o perfidy tae if it wis in thur ain interests. Aw the same, it wis always handy fur a wee country tae huv a big china tae staun up agin a big bully that is aye botherin us baith.

    It wisne jist tae us that the French were a bit perfidious. They ca’ed the feet fae the United Irishmen in 1799, eftir Wolfe Tone hud negotiatit some help frae them.

    On the ither haun, there is a wheen o things in France and French culture that I like. An, since we’re bein frank here there is a lot a like about south of the border down Engerland way – ecept their Tory politics and the bulldog breed nastiness.

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  2. Dommage, John, je ne suis pas d’accord avec vous ou avec la Gouvernement Ecossaise.

    Despite what our government say I think it is sad not to renew such a historic treaty and doing so would not compromise our ability to be friends with other countries in Europe or worlwide. I’m not a Macron fan either but he will not be in power for ever.

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    1. This is something which can happen once Scotland is independent again. Had the SG even at a ‘cultural exchange’ level reactivate the “Auld Alliance”, there would undoubtedly be apoplexy amongst the UK and Scottish media. There would be shouts of ‘TREASON!’ and a demand that the FM be incarcerated in the Tower of London and then beheaded.

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  3. Gourock is reminded of the Auld Alliance as The Cross of Lorraine and Free French Memorial is on Lyle Hill, Greenock overlooking our town and the River Clyde flowing past Inverclyde. The Cross was made by the French Navy as a memorial of the Free French who died in war and a reminded that with no Safe Haven to return to their country, during the war Scotland welcomed the fleet. Down at the bottom of the hill ‘Little France’ was made for them in the area around Fort Matilda where there is a train station and the edges of the towns meet. People said that the sights and sounds of the area was very Parisian and they had an artist who made murals to complete the illusion and help them to create a home from home. Many large villas, cafes and buildings were given over for sailors, also as Embassies and for Officers to use from allied countries and also had murals of French scenes and were decorated in styles that were consistent with home to them. The fraternity with the French was especially given its due respect from having the Auld Alliance, which to me is a peaceful reaching of spiritual alliance, not about the disruption of war but of diplomacy. To have the ability to claim both nations as our identity in the modern world could perhaps allow those in Scotland wishing to remain in the EU to have a passport. My family had links with the visiting allies as my Aunt was a translator being able to speak fluent French and many people stayed with the family over the years, including some notable ones and General Charles de Gaulle visited whenever here, his son staying with the family during his time at university. I am a person who seeks Peace for the world and do not see this alliance as about conflict, but brotherhood and the French have reached out over the world with icons of justice, fairness and peace for freedom. In my heart there is a special place for the French people and perhaps we have no need of a formal and political page to ensure that the bond is strong. Its up to all of us in Scotland to keep the French in our minds as having an Auld Alliance that does not detract from our unity with all of the people in the world but is special for its traditions. Whenever I make pom-poms with children I tell them about the Auld Alliance and ‘Little France’ we learn Frere Jacques and by some amazing coincidence Funworld, an indoor play area has a French looking cafe with murals of Paris, located in the area of ‘Little France’, for me there is a bit of atmosphere left behind. May Peace Prevail On Earth.

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    1. The memorial on top of the Lyle Hill was built to honour the crew of the Free French ship which exploded off Gourock / Greenock. I believe it was loading munitions at the time.

      BTW where’s Bugger LE Panda.

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    2. Until 1905, as a remnant of the Auld Alliance, Scots could claim French nationality and French people could claim Scots. I think it had fallen out of use c 15/16th C, but had not been formally repealed. Since my feyther was born in 1904, he could be considered to be French, so, perhaps I can retain my European citizenship by seeking French nationality. A close friend and namesake, born in Bridgeton and raised in Govan took out French nationality shortly before he died. However, his wife was French and both their children had been born in France and he had been a fairly high-ranking EU diplomat for around 30 years. Perhaps I can use the identical names to claim!!

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  4. Hold on a minute here:

    “Scotland … sees an increased role for itself on the international stage in the future.” – does it? Does it really? And when, exactly, are the Scottish people going to asked about this foreign policy? Although did you see the Phantom Power film about Estonia – they are on the UN Security Council now, though I’m not sure how useful that is – prestige and business coming their way I’d guess. But what does ‘increased role’ actually mean? Flannel I suspect.

    Anyway, being rubbish with dates, names, places etc, my historical description here will be somewhat lacking, but weren’t the French ready to invade as soon as the Jacobites marched on London – except they didn’t make it to London did they? They turned back at [somewhere] because whoever was advising the Jacobite leaders at the time convinced them the French weren’t coming and it’d be a rout. Hmmmm, advisers, useful aren’t they? The Scots caused their own downfall, mainly by listening to shite advisers – seems to be why Culloden was such a tragedy too.

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